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Re: ATP Tennis/Non-India Davis Cup

Postby Rajiv » Fri May 05, 2017 7:46 am

Hyeon Chung is a classic example of how an talent can be harnessed by the way of Corporate and Federation support.
My Tennis friends from Samsung Securities negotiated the sponsorship deal couple of years ago and when it came from renewal this year the new deal was much better , so it is hardly surprising to see the the results which H Chung is showing now.

Whenever he travels there are minimum 4 or more people travelling with him , his elder Brother who is occasional part time tour player acts as his hitting partner , their Father ,a Fitness Trainer and a Coach , and the whole massive entourage is taken care of , by the Tennis Federation and Samsung Securities.

Many of our guys were equally talented at 18-19 yr age group as Hyeon Chung but without adequate support and having to fend for themselves they seem to stagnate , In fact couple of years ago during the challenger in Hong Kong where Somdev , Yuki , Ram ,Saki , Sanam were competing along with the H Chung , all 5 of our guys were either ranked higher or in the same range as the Korean , but two years down the line how things have drastically changed in comparison .

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Re: ATP Tennis/Non-India Davis Cup

Postby suresh » Fri May 05, 2017 7:51 am

@rajiv Thanks for sharing the info about Hyeon Chung.

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Re: ATP Tennis/Non-India Davis Cup

Postby Prashant » Fri May 05, 2017 1:13 pm

Rajiv wrote:Whenever he travels there are minimum 4 or more people travelling with him , his elder Brother who is occasional part time tour player acts as his hitting partner , their Father ,a Fitness Trainer and a Coach , and the whole massive entourage is taken care of , by the Tennis Federation and Samsung Securities.


This says it all really doesn't it? If we could have had ONE of our talented guys get something like this from an early age (late teens at worst).

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Re: ATP Tennis/Non-India Davis Cup

Postby arjun2761 » Fri May 05, 2017 4:36 pm

Yes, super support would help but is no guarantee of success. RamK, Sumit Nagal. Sasi Mukund etc. seem to have been consistently well funded but haven't really broken through yet to top 100 levels although they have shown occasionally shown flashes of top 100 potential. Yuki though has seemingly not had the same level of resources as these folks.

Most important for a rising player is have enough money to travel with one coach/hitting partner/trainer which could be the same person for players who are young and rising. Perhaps, once you are top-100, you may need two folks (one more of a coach/hitting partner with the other being a trainer). Fortunately, some of the logistics and planning support can now be done remotely with the technology that is available now.

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Re: ATP Tennis/Non-India Davis Cup

Postby sameerph » Fri May 05, 2017 5:49 pm

arjun2761 wrote:Yes, super support would help but is no guarantee of success. RamK, Sumit Nagal. Sasi Mukund etc. seem to have been consistently well funded but haven't really broken through yet to top 100 levels although they have shown occasionally shown flashes of top 100 potential. Yuki though has seemingly not had the same level of resources as these folks.


True, unfortunately the most talented among these in terms of tennis skills ( Yuki) did not receive the kind of support that at young age that RamK and Sumit got ( except for short few week stints at NBTA). Neither did perhaps the next most talented, Saketh. Else, both of them would have better internalised fitness levels which would have taken them to another level with their tennis skills.

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Re: ATP Tennis/Non-India Davis Cup

Postby Sin Hombre » Fri May 05, 2017 10:07 pm

It is dangerous and disingenuous to claim that our guys like Somdev , Ram ,Saki , Sanam were equally talented as Chung (typical desi thinking of talent tha, opportunity nahin mila).

Chung broke into the top 100 as an 18-year old and was winning challengers as a 17 year old. No Indian has even come close with Yuki being the closest.

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Re: ATP Tennis/Non-India Davis Cup

Postby Atithee » Sat May 06, 2017 3:43 am

"Hombre" -- how dare you commit the "sin" of calling the emperor naked?

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Postby arjun2761 » Sat May 06, 2017 4:03 am

Because he is a bad hombre. :D

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Re: ATP Tennis/Non-India Davis Cup

Postby prasen9 » Sat May 06, 2017 5:08 am

I am with Sin Hombre on this one. Intuitively, I thought the same but did not have the "proof" handy that Sin Hombre provided. So, I had kept quiet until now.

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Re: ATP Tennis/Non-India Davis Cup

Postby sameerph » Sun May 07, 2017 4:45 pm

Sin Hombre wrote:Chung broke into the top 100 as an 18-year old and was winning challengers as a 17 year old. No Indian has even come close with Yuki being the closest.


Chung won his first challenger title in August 2014 when 18 years and 4 months old. I agree that only Indian in recent times who comes close in terms of talent is Yuki who won a challenger title a couple of short of his 20th birthday.

I talked of Saketh as next best talent because he did not play seriously on junior and on pro tour too till he was close to 25. After that the progress he has made on pro tour is remarkable. So, who knows if he had early support like RamK had, what heights he would achieved.

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Re: ATP Tennis/Non-India Davis Cup

Postby sameerph » Tue May 16, 2017 6:18 am

So, Roger Federer has now decided to skip the entire clay season including French open and directly move to grass season. With his current form, one would have expected him to make at least SF at Roland Garros but I guess anything less than winning a title does not excite him any more.

Nadal is the overwhelming favourite for the French open this year.

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Re: ATP Tennis/Non-India Davis Cup

Postby arjun2761 » Tue May 16, 2017 4:38 pm

This may also be a career prolonging effort. I believe with the new racket technology and the slower courts, players have to hit more balls and hit harder for every point and this has the effect of increasing wear and tear and injury on the body. Perhaps, he feels that he'll have to hit way more balls on clay and so prefers to preserve his body for the grass season. In any case, he is now playing tournaments quite selectively so that he gets plenty of recovery time after every tournament.

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Re: ATP Tennis/Non-India Davis Cup

Postby Varma » Tue May 16, 2017 4:51 pm

Decision to skip French Open must have been a no brainer for Federer. He may have played had Nadal too was struggling just like the other 2 of the big 4. With the Mallorcan on Rampage yet again, Federer knows that he stands no chance, especially with zero match practice on clay. If his body can hold up for two weeks the way it did down under, he will certainly be the top contender at Wimbledon.

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Re: ATP Tennis/Non-India Davis Cup

Postby PKBasu » Wed May 17, 2017 2:57 am

I was a bit disappointed that Federer chose to skip the French Open. I thought he would play at Rome or somewhere else in preparation, and then play at Roland Garros, because he had a good chance to win the calendar Grand Slam this year. But he is being realistic, with Nadal back to his rampaging best on clay.

Andy Murray's collapse this year is astonishing. He has done very little in the first five months of 2017, but still has a massive points lead relative to the competition. Over the next 2-3 months, Federer and Nadal will close the gap rapidly if Murray's woeful form persists (16-6 this year, versus Federer's 19-1 record).

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Re: ATP Tennis/Non-India Davis Cup

Postby Sin Hombre » Sat May 20, 2017 1:14 am

Nadal might have been tired but a very impressive win from Dominic Thiem (so-called prince of clay) to beat him in straights.

If he can follow this up with a win against Djokovic in the semis, he will be a very clear second favourite for RG.


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