Virat Kohli Thread

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Re: Virat Kohli Thread

Postby prasen9 » Thu Feb 23, 2017 4:55 pm

Right. I was going on subjective experiences :p

How about a Bishen Bedi thread? Great bowler. And, he is always in the news saying something nonsensical. Lots to discuss. As an aside, I think we should have a Bedi-Siddhu show on TV. Think about the wisdom that will ooze out. Don't get it wrong. I am a big fan of Punjabis. Our last WC-winning side was chock-full of Punjabis. I like their fighting spirit. But, a Bedi-Siddhu show would a gift to the nation that would just not stop giving!

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Re: Virat Kohli Thread

Postby Observer » Thu Feb 23, 2017 5:46 pm

I dont know enough about BSB to be able to comment if we would be able to have a good discussion about him way after his retirement. A thread for the famous Indian spin quartet(Chandra, Prasanna, Venkataraghavan, Bedi) might be more apt.

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Re: Virat Kohli Thread

Postby arjun2761 » Thu Feb 23, 2017 6:08 pm

- The imperial complex which makes us Indians consider the sport inferior because India has managed to ace it. We have among the best infra, culture and finances for cricket so it seems only natural to me for India to be doing so well.


At least for me, dominating Cricket isn't as impressive because very few countries with a strong sports culture actually play the sport and we are not truly dominant either. Similar to Kabaddi, for example, where we are actually truly dominant.

Bangladesh, SL, Pakistan, WI etc. are dysfunctional countries in almost all aspects (sports and otherwise) who are generally not good at any other sport or pretty much anything else (with the Jamaican sprinters being the notable exceptions). That leaves England and Australia (and perhaps SA) as the only worthy sporting rivals and we have generally struggled to dominate them. Lately, we have begun to dominate them at home but we generally lose to them when visiting them and infact we struggle against NZ (a country of less than 5 million people, i.e., less than Pune) in the road as well. Unfortunately, despite our success at Cricket, most folks look at Olympics and perhaps the more popular global sports (such as soccer and tennis) as a stronger and more visible measure of a country's sporting achievements.

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Re: Virat Kohli Thread

Postby Observer » Thu Feb 23, 2017 7:33 pm

Kabbaddi is not quite in the same league as cricket, however its awesome that we dominate.

arjun2761 wrote:That leaves England and Australia (and perhaps SA) as the only worthy sporting rivals and we have generally struggled to dominate them.

We are very competent. Playing at home has helped but then it helps everyone. Indian cricket team has been rated very highly consistently for some time now in all formats.

arjun2761 wrote: infact we struggle against NZ (a country of less than 5 million people, i.e., less than Pune) in the road as well.

NZ has a strong sporting culture and dominates the world in Rugby which is very popular in a lot of developed countries. So thats not a strong argument. Besides I dont think we have really struggled against New Zealand.

arjun2761 wrote:most folks look at Olympics and perhaps the more popular global sports (such as soccer and tennis) as a stronger and more visible measure of a country's sporting achievements.


Tennis is a rich man's sport. Only the very affluent can afford to be serious about it in developing countries so that couldnt be considered as a good benchmark. Indias most athletic people are very unlikely to take up tennis. Tennis players in countries with good sporting infrastructure have a huge advantage. So IMO Tennis is not a good measure internationally.

Its not fair to compare developed countries with developing countries in expensive sports. Lets look at some patterns in another developing nation:
- Brazil is great at soccer
- Brazil regularly produces legendary MMA fighters. MMA as a sport requires greater athleticism and technical expertise than say tennis.
What is common between Soccer and Martial Arts:
- Its not Expensive to pursue
- Requires a strong culture
Similarly India has strong cricket culture and cricket is not an expensive sport. That also makes it very well suited for developing countries. Cricket is not as big a sport as Soccer but its big and matured enough. Cricket is by no means an easy sport and IMO we have ample reason to be very proud of our team.

I would love India to do better at the Olympics and Tennis but having come this far in cricket is by no means a mean feat.

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Re: Virat Kohli Thread

Postby prasen9 » Thu Feb 23, 2017 7:49 pm

If you don't know about Bishen Singh Bedi, you can start here: Bishen Singh Bedi's sayings. I hardly saw him play either. But, you know a man is great when you hear one. See Trump.

Maybe some kind moderator will merge the two Virat Kohli threads and move the discussion that are not related to Kohli to a General Thread. I know I always keep asking. Thanks for all the work you guys do to keep this place clean.

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Re: Virat Kohli Thread

Postby Sin Hombre » Fri Feb 24, 2017 3:31 am

I like Kohli and his captaincy is the reason why I am following Indian cricket again since 2015 (stopped during the Dhoni years outside of the ICC tournaments).

That said, he still has all to prove both as a batsman (win some matches away to Aus/SA/Eng/NZ) and captain (win some matches away to Aus/SA/Eng/NZ) in tests.

He is an LOI ATG but won't be considered at the same level as Viv/SRT until he matches them in at least one WC.


So all considered, too early for this thread.

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Re: Virat Kohli Thread

Postby prasen9 » Sat Feb 25, 2017 2:07 am

Kohli did win a world cup for us as the 7th batsman. He scored at around 35 runs/innings at 82 SR. That is not earth shattering but it is a competent contribution. India's bench depth at that WC was thin. Without Kohli's batting, we may have struggled to close out one match or two.

In the last world cup, he upped his average to 50 at about the same SR. He was among the top 4- 5 batsmen who did very well. I think Dhoni, Dhawan, Raina, and Kohli batted very well. Rohit was quite good too. The last two batting spots were weak. Rahane did fine. But the #7 bat was not as strong. Ashwin/Jadeja did not do much.


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