Sundry ODI/T20I series, June-Dec 2016

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Re: Sundry ODI/T20I series, June-Dec 2016

Postby Sin Hombre » Wed Oct 26, 2016 5:09 pm

It is not a maybe with Raini. He needs to be back.

Get both Dhawan and Rahul in against England as well.

Our ODI batting lineup is in a very bad shape at the moment. If Dhoni cannot do well at #4 either, he needs to go.

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Re: Sundry ODI/T20I series, June-Dec 2016

Postby PKBasu » Thu Oct 27, 2016 3:10 pm

Raina's scores in the last ODI series (at home against South Africa) were 3,0,0,53,12 (ave 13.6). I don't see him as an automatic choice, unless he is picked as a near-specialist bowler -- a role he can well fulfill in India, but not so well in England. Jadhav is filling Raina's old role rather well at the moment. Raina also failed in all first class trials before the New Zealand series, so there is no evidence of him being in better form.

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Re: Sundry ODI/T20I series, June-Dec 2016

Postby PKBasu » Sat Oct 29, 2016 4:14 pm

Mishra!! What a spell of leg spin Bowling!

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Re: Sundry ODI/T20I series, June-Dec 2016

Postby prasen9 » Sat Oct 29, 2016 10:05 pm

Dhoni perhaps needs to go. We should try to see if Rahul or Kedar Jadhav (who has kept before) can keep reliably. Or Rayudu. Rahane again was too slow. Manish failed too but a match-winning century in Australia is nothing to be chucked out. So, he should be in consideration. If it was up to me, I would rest the regulars and try all the candidates for the 1st 3 ODIs against England and see what happens.

Fazal, Rahul, Kohli(c), Rayudu, Manish, Kedar, Binny would be my top-7. Obviously, Binny with an eye towards getting an allrounder for England Champions Trophy. Kohli stays because he needs to learn how to captain an ODI side. The others there to fine tune their batting strategies and show us that they can bat. Rahul keeps. Or Rayudu. Who is the better keeper?

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Re: Sundry ODI/T20I series, June-Dec 2016

Postby Abish arul » Sun Oct 30, 2016 3:44 am

I want India to play with full strength squad against England it's avenging time not the time for experimenting and also we know how good is England these days in shorter formats if we play with this current squad they will rip us off

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Re: Sundry ODI/T20I series, June-Dec 2016

Postby PKBasu » Sun Oct 30, 2016 6:54 am

Jayant Yadav looked promising in the few overs he bowled on debut yesterday.
Manish Pandey did himself no favours in this series, with very poor shot selection (going for a six yesterday as his first scoring stroke was foolhardy yesterday).
Kedar is probably ahead of Manish in the queue for the full ODI side.
Amit Mishra has bowled superbly through this series -- and was absolutely brilliant yesterday. His fielding is the one significant weakness, because he bats reasonably well.
Axar continues to look like a competitor to Jadeja in ODIs, and seems more reliable with the bat.
Dhoni's batting has generally been a letdown, but so has Rahane's and Rohit's (except yesterday for the latter).

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Re: Sundry ODI/T20I series, June-Dec 2016

Postby prasen9 » Sun Oct 30, 2016 5:51 pm

We may lose to England Abish Arul, but, who cares?

I hope Dhoni retires from ODIs soon. We need to move on and find the next wicket-keeper bat and keeping on playing a sub-par Dhoni does not help with respect to that.

The difference between Rahane and Rohit is that Rahane has never been great with the bat consistently, whereas, in the last 4-5 years, Rohit has been very good.

Yes, Manish is perhaps behind Kedar but choosing based on 5-6 innings is fool-hardy. That is why all the young guys should be given a full series versus England. The gains from that will be much more than the loss of the series. Then, for the Champions Trophy, we can bring in the experienced folks.

Jadeja's ODI batting is head and shoulders above Axar's. Jadeja averages over 32 with 10 50's while batting at #7 or so. Axar Patel averages 14 with 0 50s. Jadeja cannot bat as well in tests. But, that should not be held against him in ODIs.

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Re: Sundry ODI/T20I series, June-Dec 2016

Postby sameerph » Sun Oct 30, 2016 6:59 pm

Yuvraj seems to be back in good form. Why not pick him for ODI'S? With Dhoni coming at 4, our lower order batting looks thin and lacking firepower.

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Re: Sundry ODI/T20I series, June-Dec 2016

Postby Sin Hombre » Sun Oct 30, 2016 9:53 pm

Agree with prasen.

Results in bilateral ODI series are irrelevant, we need to use them to move on from Dhoni (won't happen before CT) and figure out #5, #6, #7 in our batting line up.

Rohit is a top 10 batsman in the format, the only one we have outside of Virat who is already an ATG.

Dhawan is decent, Rahul is the best young player we have and will almost certainly develop into a guaranteed starter.


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