Cricket Statistics and Trivia

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Re: Cricket Statistics and Trivia

Postby prasen9 » Sun Mar 12, 2017 2:52 pm

We were discussing the merits of using fielding statistics to come up with a value for half chances taken, etc. versus batting runs scored. Here is a simplistic article Value of Fielding. Sameer correctly said that the issue is difficult. However, baseball has an official scorer who assigns whether a missed catch was an "error" or not. Then, there are improved statistics using UZR etc. Generally, speaking if a wicket in cricket is worth 32 runs (average runs scored per wicket), a dropped catch should be actually worth that much assuming an average pitch and an average opponent. On a bowling wicket, it should be worth less. Another way to do it would be to peg it to the batsman's average. Dropping SRT is more of a crime than dropping Bishen Singh Bedi or McGrath.

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Re: Cricket Statistics and Trivia

Postby prasen9 » Tue Mar 14, 2017 1:23 am

Murali Vijay has almost played 50 tests. He is not as bad, but, he is almost the Ishant Sharma of Indian cricket on the batting side. Our batsmen have been generally better, but, nobody was given 50+ test with a lower average (among those who do not bowl) except Vijay Merchant. As Sin Hombre pointed out, part of this is because he has been quite good in the last 4-5 years. But career-wise, Vijay, despite his obvious gifts, has produced at a slightly better rate than Dhawan, whose performance was ruled unacceptable after 23 tests. I am really hoping that Rahul will emerge to be another great opener one which Vijay has always flirted around being but never quite achieved. He needs a purple run. A series or two that he will dominate and change the result.

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Re: Cricket Statistics and Trivia

Postby prasen9 » Thu Apr 06, 2017 12:06 am

I love the culture of numbers in baseball. Cricket uses numbers too, but, too often, the numbers do not mean much. And, there are very few sites on the web that actually do a decent analysis of what is going on. Maybe the teams and their statisticians do a whole bunch more. But, that is not out there in the public.

Consider a simple question: when do the numbers mean anything? The answer is that it depends upon what number. For example, the batting average may be an useful statistic after, say 20 innings, but, the bowling average may need 25 innings or 40 innings to be meaningful while bowling strike rate may need 30 innings to be "stabilized". This example is completely made up because I do not know when the numbers mean anything. So, all that we argue with numbers are possibly nonsense especially for newer players. Of course, there are many unseen factors such as injuries, loss of hand-eye coordination due to aging etc., that unstabilizes stabilized numbers. But, still the exercise of finding out when numbers are meaningful in general is a useful one.

Here is a site that does an excellent job to answer that question for baseball: Fangraphs article on sample size. Even if you do not understand baseball statistics, do take a cursory look. It should be clear what I am talking about.

All statistics are not lies, using statistics improperly results in lies.


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