Is Cricket a "True" International Sport

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Cricket is a world sport.

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Completly Agree
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Agree
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Close Call
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Disagree
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Completly Disagree
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DONT CARE: stupid argument & thanks vkd for creating a sepereate thread i can ignore
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Postby BSharma » Fri Jun 11, 2004 6:14 am

Gurjeet,

I disagree that cricket should be banned in India. Indian hockey has a problem that has hardly anything to do with cricket. Let the IHF officials take a page from the Indian cricket board and run a tight ship.

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Postby PKBasu » Tue Jul 06, 2004 5:55 pm

Singapore now has a 24-hour cricket channel (there is clearly enough interest in it for such a thing to be offered here...). Considering that we have a cricket league with a total of over 30 teams that play regularly with two professional umpires for every match, etc., this shouldn't be too surprising.
Anyway I got to celebrate my first day with the Cricket channel (ESPN/Star Cricket) watching the West Indies comfortably beat England at Lord's. I only got to watch the Windies bat (chasing a good England total of 285 in which Flintoff and Strauss got centuries). Chris Gayle, who is normally a hard-hitter, played a sedate knock today, but remained unbeaten on 132 (off 153 balls) as he steered his team to victory (he had earlier starred with the ball too, taking 3-27 with his gentle off spin). Ramnaresh Sarwan (who is normally a sheet-anchor) played a magnificent attacking innings of 89 (off 78 balls) to set up the chase, and Ricardo Powell played a typical cameo innings of 33 (off 22 balls) to finish it off. My daughter (9) has become a tennis fan during the Wimbledon fortnight (especially after watching Sharapova a few times, and Federer beating Roddick), and today she decidedly became a cricket fan too...

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Postby PKBasu » Wed Jul 07, 2004 2:31 pm

Now the BCCI is generally well run, but the arena for absurd political shenanigans has shifted from the national team (which is always under tremendous scrutiny) to the India A side.
Agarkar and Kartik were (slightly controversially) left out of the Indian team for the Asia Cup starting next week. But they were also left out of the India A team that is to tour Zimbabwe and Kenya. Their replacements are Yogesh Golwalkar (a leg spinner from Madhya Pradesh, who did not make it into the Central Zone team last year -- and had a much worse record than his team-mate Narendra Hirwani) and Dheeraj Jadhav, an opening batsman from Maharashtra (a side that was in the junior division of the Ranji Trophy last year, where he did amass a great average playing teams like Tripura, Vidarbha, Himachal Pradesh, etc; Jadhav did play two Duleep Trophy matches, getting scores of 24, 1 and 154 -- definitely not enough evidence for this 25 year old to be selected for India A ahead of Mane, Jaffer, Khoda, SS Das, Ramesh and loads of other top-class opening batsmen). Politics is the bane of Indian sport (thankfully, in cricket, less so at the highest levels).

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Postby sunnyd » Wed Jul 07, 2004 8:57 pm

Well corruption & politics is rampant in all levels of society in India.
It will be a good 25+ years before we see any improvement on this front.

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Postby jayakris » Wed Jul 07, 2004 10:05 pm

Not 25 years. More like 10, may be 15 years max. The petty corruption will be gone by then. Along with that a lot of old men who grew up in an enviornment (caused by an economic system that was not results-based) for whom personal egos mattered over their own and their causes' benefit, will go away, or will become irrelevant (or will simply die). The big corruption will remain, and so will politics, like in all western and developed societies, but that has probably not held back sports anywhere much.

That is my bold prediction on India's future :)

Jay

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Postby suresh » Thu Jul 08, 2004 2:34 am

I am not as optimistic as Jay or even for that matter sunnyd. I always joke around
that if and when India becomes rich, it will be a country like Italy (as opposed to
Germany, for instance) where corruption will continue. I find that we Indians are
corrupt at a personal level, we think nothing of paying fifty bucks as a bribe(of
course, the line being, it is the guy who takes the bribe who is corrupt). I don't
agree with Jay that there is a distinction between small and big corruption. Even
politicians (who are associated with the typical cases of big corruption) come from
the same pool of people. So statistically speaking, they represent their society.

In the same vein, cricket will continue to dominate all other sports. That is not
to say that other sports can't survive. I am sure a hockey gold medal will provide
a big boost to Indian hockey. So good results and the efforts of individuals (such
as Jay) will help.

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Postby gvhvhg » Thu Jul 08, 2004 2:40 am

i always joke around that if and when becomes rich, it will be a country like Italy


:Offtopic: speaking of italy i beleive that while one of the gandhi kids, either rahul and priyanka rules india the other should go rule italy and then we can combine forces....hey mabye not so off topic after all...displays my corrupt indian mind :devil:

...n e way...i am a little confused at who Jay and suresh are calling corrupt here....the sports journalists is it?

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Postby Kumar » Thu Jul 08, 2004 2:43 am

Cricket is popular in india for one and only reason only...

Atleast 80% of the Indian population in the age group 20-40 would have played cricket when they were kids and we tend to associate ourself more with the game we play and understand..

Hockey is never going to retain his glory days even if india inconceivably wins every tournament (olympics, WC, Champions trophy) for the next 5 years or so.. Tell me how many schools have one hockey team? I will be surprised if 1% of the colleges (let alone schools) in india has an hockey team.. may be PKB can come up with that statistics...

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Their replacements are Yogesh Golwalkar (a leg spinner from Madhya Pradesh, who did not make it into the Central Zone team last year -- and had a much worse record than his team-mate Narendra Hirwani)

PKB still not losing his penchance for Hirwani. I sincerely wish that Hirwani makes the team (not even in my worst nightmare, it could happen), so that we will know Hirwani's worth once for all..

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Postby gvhvhg » Thu Jul 08, 2004 3:06 am

Atleast 80% of the Indian population in the age group 20-40 would have played cricket when they were kids and we tend to associate ourself more with the game we play and understand..


like you said age group 20-40...and i think that makes jays point...this nxt generation...my generation...has alot of ppl growing up abroad...like me...who havent played cricket...and even thogh i havent fully understood what u guys are talking about rite now :rofl: :p ...ive got enuff feel for this discussion think that is a point that needs to made in

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Postby jayakris » Thu Jul 08, 2004 3:35 am

:Offtopic: :Offtopic: I know ... Will take it over to the economic discussion section if we continue ..

suresh: I don't for a minute think that there is anything in Indian ethos that makes corruption so natural. Petty corruption in India (bribing the electricity lineman or a police man, or even an engineer at the local PWD office) is all the direct result of the salary structure we have in India. The corruption has itrs direct roots in the economic system that Nehru and gang built up over 40 years. I have talked to people who lived for decades before independence (like my grand parents) and they would all vouch for there being no corruption of the kind we have now in those days. If you look at what the government service salaries are, you will understand why bribing became a part of life... The local police man in India (probably even with a college degree in some places like in Kerala) can hardly live in a 2 room flat in any of the towns in India with the regular salary he makes. Obviously many such Indians actually think this is the way society supports them and rationalize it. I don't blame them at all. Many in the scoeity have accepted that too. A stinking system of governanance and economics put into place by chaccha and all those intellectuals (socialists) with him caused this, and we are still struggling to recover even after a decade of reforms ....

The cop in US will not take a bribe because he makes as much money as an engineer and petty money is not going to move him. Somebody who makes $75000 is not going to be moved easily by $25 type bribes. That does not mean that a cop cannot be made to do some aluguluth like planting some evidence to frame somebody for the promise of a promotion or something from the right people. That is what I call the corruption in developed couontries. Does not affect our day to day life, but financial implications (and social impacts) of such corruption is not minimal, though the public may never know in many cases.

Anyway, we all need to drop this national feeling that there are things wrong with us. Thank you Nehru for taking a country so far down into the toilet.

Jay
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Postby PKBasu » Thu Jul 08, 2004 4:37 am

Kumar, I no longer think that Hirwani needs to be recalled to the Indian team despite his stellar domestic record, but all I was doing was pointing out that this 25 year old Golwalkar who has made it to the India A side had a much worse bowling average (and total number of wickets) in the last season than Hirwani (who plays for the same state side, and was preferred every time for Central Zone last year). The fact that Golwalkar (a complete unknown) got selected for India A is really astonishing, as is the selection of Dheeraj Jadhav. Now you see why a genuinely good performer like Abhijit Kale was driven to try and influence selectors into picking him...at 30, he finally played his first ODI but was quickly in danger of being dropped from even the India A side despite his magnificent domestic record (including centuries against England, New Zealand, etc. when these touring teams were in India).

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Postby sunnyd » Thu Jul 08, 2004 11:11 am

The dominance of a single sport in country is not unique to India. This occurs in many if not most of the countries in the world.

Football by far dominates the sporting landscape in most Latin American & European countries. Ice hockey is the main sport in Canada. Similarly rugby reigns supreme in New Zealand. And Kumar was right when he said that hockey might not regain it lost glory even if they win every tournament they play in for the next couple of years (you can never say never but it is highly unlikely). Even though the Netherlands & Germany currently have very successful hockey teams, they in no way have managed to seriously dent the popularity of football in their respective countries.

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Postby vkd_1717 » Sun Mar 20, 2005 12:27 am

i see this arguement break out everywhere on sports-india so i decided to start a new thread

im going to remain neutral unless someone can convince me it is or is not a world sport

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Postby Sandeep » Sun Mar 20, 2005 1:55 am

OK you must pretty well be knowing for what I voted. As far as explanation goes, I will do it later. Now in no mood, following roddick vs Hewitt match.

Who voted for the last option. If I am right those kind of votes can only come from Professors :D . And since there are more tha one professor in our forum, I don't know who really voted for it :D .

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Postby vkd_1717 » Sun Mar 20, 2005 2:02 am

it dint come from a professer it came from a 15 year old ... today i was reading the Davis cup ranking thread and it annoyed me to see the same arguement for the millionth time in a different thread


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