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Re: Sports and Performance Enhancing Drugs (Doping)

Postby Mugundan » Thu Aug 25, 2016 3:09 pm

I doubt very much that NADA would receive an intelligence input from a junior SAI official and care to pass it onto WADA for further advice or as a matter of routine information. It must be getting hundreds of such tip-offs from athletes, coaches, officials etc. It has to follow up and do its duty as far as such tip-offs are concerned, weighing the importance of the athlete/sport being mentioned and looking at the need to have further tests if tests had been done say once during the past 10 days.

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Postby prasen9 » Thu Aug 25, 2016 4:32 pm

WADA should insist on a revamping of NADA failing which it should ban countries for not complying.

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Re: Sports and Performance Enhancing Drugs (Doping)

Postby sameerph » Thu Aug 25, 2016 4:40 pm

I very much doubt the allegation made by Narsingh camp that this has all been engineered by Sushil. Assuming that it were Sushil's friends who spiked Narsingh's drink a multiple times and also tipped off NADA on the same and expected Narsingh to be banned. In that scenario, Sushil would have been all ready to take his place at Rio and his camp would have made a hue and cry about including him for Olympics as they did earlier for trials. As it turned, Sushil said he was not at all prepared to go to Rio at that stage. That means he was not expecting these kind of circumstances to occur.

The more I think about it, the more I am getting to the conclusion that it was intentional doping by Narsingh. ( contrary to what I was thinking earlier).

I will be happy to be proven wrong.

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Re: Sports and Performance Enhancing Drugs (Doping)

Postby kujo » Thu Aug 25, 2016 4:46 pm

Mugundan wrote:I doubt very much that NADA would receive an intelligence input from a junior SAI official and care to pass it onto WADA for further advice or as a matter of routine information. It must be getting hundreds of such tip-offs from athletes, coaches, officials etc. It has to follow up and do its duty as far as such tip-offs are concerned, weighing the importance of the athlete/sport being mentioned and looking at the need to have further tests if tests had been done say once during the past 10 days.


that is true - WADA is simply not staffed to do investigative work.


Watch this educational Olympics / Doping edpisode from John Oliver's show. specifically from 9:35 mark.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BgyqAD5Z6_A

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Re: Sports and Performance Enhancing Drugs (Doping)

Postby Mugundan » Thu Aug 25, 2016 5:16 pm

prasen9 wrote:WADA should insist on a revamping of NADA failing which it should ban countries for not complying.

Completely agree. WADA has a provision by which it has suspended Russia. The only way for NADA to improve would be a shock treatment from WADA. It has been long overdue.

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Re: Sports and Performance Enhancing Drugs (Doping)

Postby sameerph » Fri Aug 26, 2016 5:51 am

3 Chinese weightlifting gold medallists from Beijing test positive and will lose their medals -

3 Olympic Weightlifting Gold Medalists Fail Doping Retests

Amazing that this comes out 8 years after the event. How many years do they keep samples of the players ?

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Postby jayakris » Fri Aug 26, 2016 7:14 am

kujo wrote:Watch this educational Olympics / Doping edpisode from John Oliver's show. specifically from 9:35 mark.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BgyqAD5Z6_A

Thanks for that kujo. Man, what a fabulously well-researched piece, presented so hilariously by John Oliver (that "here is a hot pocket, go f*** yourself" had me absolutely ROTFLMAO).

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Re: Sports and Performance Enhancing Drugs (Doping)

Postby jayakris » Fri Aug 26, 2016 7:18 am

sameerph wrote:3 Chinese weightlifting gold medallists from Beijing test positive and will lose their medals -
3 Olympic Weightlifting Gold Medalists Fail Doping Retests
Amazing that this comes out 8 years after the event. How many years do they keep samples of the players ?

Frankly, weightlifting itself should just be dropped from Olympics. I haven't trusted any medal by anybody in that event, for ages. Even if they are not taking banned substances, they are all bulking up with some unhealthy stuff or other. The whole sport has always looked unhealthy to me.

But, it is nice to see our suspicions being proven right, and it's great that they retest these samples regardless of how long ago it was.

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Re: Sports and Performance Enhancing Drugs (Doping)

Postby jayakris » Fri Aug 26, 2016 4:44 pm

Speaking of weightlifting, here come copycats. Sumati Devi this time.

Doping Row: HC Seeks NADA’s Response on Woman Athlete’s Plea

Precisely the scenario that was going to develop if NADA were to entertain this "sabotage" defense without extremely careful deliberation and clear evidence, as they did (or were pressured to do) in the case of Narsingh.

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Re: Sports and Performance Enhancing Drugs (Doping)

Postby sameerph » Tue Sep 06, 2016 5:23 am

This is nice piece by KP Mohan in his blog which directly raises questions on doping in Indian athletics -

How not to target a relay medal

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Re: Sports and Performance Enhancing Drugs (Doping)

Postby sanjay8886 » Thu Sep 15, 2016 8:54 pm

Venus William (by Russian hacking site) was caught with banned substance but let it go. I guess the influential countries are able to cheat the system without any consequence. If Venus does indeed get banned, she should get stripped off MxD Silver medal (logically that should go to Rohan/Sania).

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Re: Sports and Performance Enhancing Drugs (Doping)

Postby prasen9 » Thu Sep 15, 2016 9:02 pm

Venus Williams had a therapeutic exemption. Why is it cheating and not simply making maximum use of the rules?

Our players should do well to study what therapeutic exemptions they can get in the future :-)

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Re: Sports and Performance Enhancing Drugs (Doping)

Postby Prashant » Thu Sep 15, 2016 10:08 pm

sanjay8886 wrote:Venus William (by Russian hacking site) was caught with banned substance but let it go.



Oh please. That entire Russian hacking thing was a giant joke. So they proved that sometimes professional athletes buy prescription medications. Big whoop. Zero illegal use of drugs by anyone they chose to leak.

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Re: Sports and Performance Enhancing Drugs (Doping)

Postby Sin Hombre » Fri Sep 16, 2016 2:58 am

prasen9 wrote:Venus Williams had a therapeutic exemption. Why is it cheating and not simply making maximum use of the rules?

Our players should do well to study what therapeutic exemptions they can get in the future :-)


Americans exploit TUEs on an industrial scale. Our athletes are low quality dopers.

"After Major League Baseball added amphetamines to its list of banned substances in 2007, many players appeared to exploit a loophole. They applied for what is known as a therapeutic use exemption, a waiver to use a prohibited drug for a legitimate medical reason.

Before amphetamines were barred, 28 players had received exemptions to treat attention deficit disorder. After the ban took effect, 103 players
secured permission. Seemingly overnight, the number of professional baseball players with attention-deficit diagnoses soared."


Interviewees reported that TUEs are systematically exploited by some teams and even used as part of performance enhancement programmes. One team doctor stated that he believed the TUE system had been regularly abused, particularly as previously mentioned, in the area of corticoids.

Today there appears to be concern among riders about the way in which TUEs are used for corticoids and insulin in particular, and the extent to which they are being abused. One difficulty, raised by a laboratory , is that it is difficult to tell from a sample whether corticoids have been administered through permitted routes of administration . A former rider stated that taking insulin before meals helped to enhance recovery. In general, there was a feeling that it is too easy to obtain a TUE; one rider who had doped reported that he was told to ask for a TUE for triamcinolone acetonide (Kenacort) claiming that he had tendonitis; he had no problem obtaining the TUE.

The Commission heard different views on the use of TUEs for corticoids. According to the head of one laboratory, and many others interviewed, corticoids should generally only be administered for acute conditions, which would mean that if a rider needed to use them, they should not be able to compete. Certainly, on that basis a constant or long-term use of corticoids could not be justified medically. On the other hand, it was pointed out that in cases of real emergency, corticoids might be medically justified in order to enable the rider to compete (particularly, for example, where there is an important event coming up or during a competition held over several weeks in order to allow the rider to finish the race).

In one rider’s opinion, 90% of TUEs were used for performance - enhancing purposes. Concern that a system of granting certificates for the therapeutic use of prohibited substances under medical supervision could be used by athletes to take prohibited substances when not medically justified, was apparently voiced in this linked report to a symposium on doping control in 1979*. It appears that this concern has materialised and is a significant problem even today.



I read a study that the number of TUE go up by 50% every year.

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Re: Sports and Performance Enhancing Drugs (Doping)

Postby suresh » Fri Sep 16, 2016 8:24 am

Quotes from one more article on the therapeutic exemptions granted to an American tennis player.

While the hacked documents lay bare urine-test results, specific substances and the period of time they were taken, they do not reveal which doctors originally prescribed the drugs in question.

In at least one case — perhaps the most complicated exemption of those made public this week, that of tennis player Bethanie Mattek-Sands — the person behind the prescription is a former bodybuilder who does not shy away from discussing the use of prohibited substances.


The special permission she was given to take banned substances has not been without controversy, nor was it unequivocally approved, resulting in a legal dispute.


From the New York Times:
Behind Bethanie Mattek-Sands’s Drug-Use Exemption, Questions About Her Doctor


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