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Re: Indian Athletics Thread ...

Postby Tolamu » Mon Jun 27, 2016 9:48 pm

No, they will not be caught. But they will never get near their quali-timings in the olympics but the purpose is already served.

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Re: Indian Athletics Thread ...

Postby sameerph » Tue Jun 28, 2016 4:40 am

This is the related article in Hindu -

Amazing performances, uncomfortable questions

N.V. Nishad Kumar, who had coached Ankit on and off since 2009 till he came under the care of Romanian coach Bedros Bedrosian eight months ago, feels that Ankit is capable of producing bigger jumps.

“He is capable of going over 8.30m. In fact, our target for him was 8.55m,” said Nishad who guided Ankit to 8.04m early last year.

That is something hard to digest.


Really hard to digest. Gold at London went at 8.31. So, if he is capable of going over 8.30 or 8.55, he is competing for a gold at Rio. :roll:

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Re: Indian Athletics Thread ...

Postby PKBasu » Tue Jun 28, 2016 6:19 am

So, TC Yohannan's 8.07m national record for long jump from 1974 is broken comfortably by Ankit Sharma. It would be an utter shame if this was achieved through doping. Yohannan won a gold medal with that leap at the Asian Games in Teheran; had he repeated it at Montreal two years later, he would have had an Olympic bronze. But it is difficult to repeat a spectacular jump like that one.

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Re: Indian Athletics Thread ...

Postby arjun2761 » Tue Jun 28, 2016 5:38 pm

Sin Hombre wrote:
arjun2761 wrote:
Sin Hombre wrote:Dutee Chand is a genuine medal prospect if she gets a 4 year run without any bans, right?

She will have to improve quite a bit to be an Olympic medal contender. 11.24 would have placed 7th in the women's NCAA finals. However, she should be an Asian gold contender.


I was referring to 4 years from now if she is allowed to compete continuously.


4 years is a long time to develop and it's almost impossible to predict how good someone will be in 4 years because there are so many variables (such as training, injury, resources, internal motivation, coaching etc.). At best, one can opine on their potential.

She is probably in the top 10-20 in her age cohort based on 11.24 time (if she is able to repeat it in competition). As I noted, she would have placed 7th in the NCAA finals with that time as most NCAA athletes are in the 18-22 range with many freshmen/sophomores making the finals. Per the press reports, she is also around 5 feet tall which is pretty short for an elite sprinter, so that is another factor which she'd have to compensate for.

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Re: Indian Athletics Thread ...

Postby Mugundan » Thu Jun 30, 2016 6:04 pm

sameerph wrote:This is the related article in Hindu -

Amazing performances, uncomfortable questions

Really hard to digest. Gold at London went at 8.31. So, if he is capable of going over 8.30 or 8.55, he is competing for a gold at Rio. :roll:

An athlete who managed to jump past 8.0m only for the second time in his career has been projected as one who was targeting 8.30 or 8.50m. It would be interesting to watch Ankit in Rio, not waiting to see whether he touches 8.30, which would be a medal in all probability, but how far he can reach, whether he can make the final or not.
In India people quickly ask whether someone can win a medal and quite often an athlete or coach would say he or she would aim for one even after struggling to make the qualification cut.

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Re: Indian Athletics Thread ...

Postby Mugundan » Thu Jun 30, 2016 6:12 pm

PKBasu wrote:So, TC Yohannan's 8.07m national record for long jump from 1974 is broken comfortably by Ankit Sharma. It would be an utter shame if this was achieved through doping. Yohannan won a gold medal with that leap at the Asian Games in Teheran; had he repeated it at Montreal two years later, he would have had an Olympic bronze. But it is difficult to repeat a spectacular jump like that one.

Yohannan's national record was bettered by Armitpal Singh of Punjab in 2004, with a leap of 8.08m at the Nehru Stadium in New Delhi and the same stadium saw Kumaravel Premkumar improving that mark to 8.09m in 2013. Ankit (8.19m) has bettered that mark.
PKB seemed to have missed a couple of records along the way.
Amritpal could not do much after bettering that mark, suggesting the general problem in Indian athletics (world athletics as well). Kumaravel Premkumar (TN) has had the most number of eight-metre or more jumps (6) by an Indian but has not managed to go past his best of 8.09. He could have been expected to touch the Olympic standard of 8.15m, if at all an Indian was expected to do that, but Ankit has beaten him to it.

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Re: Indian Athletics Thread ...

Postby Tolamu » Fri Jul 01, 2016 9:50 am

Found an interesting old article in NY Times about "gender testing" which also involves Dutee Chand. Since I don't follow athletics enthusiastically I was a bit appalled to hear for the first time the ordeals Dutee had gone thru.

The humiliating practice of sex testing female athletes

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Re: Indian Athletics Thread ...

Postby Tolamu » Fri Jul 01, 2016 2:02 pm

Nirmala qualifies for Rio in 400m in Hyderabad clocking 51.48s(qualifying mark: 52.20s)

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Re: Indian Athletics Thread ...

Postby sameerph » Fri Jul 01, 2016 3:37 pm

Wow, 51.48 us just 0.43 sec away from national record and this girl Nirmla was not even in the reckoning for a relay spot. Where are these performances by Indian athletes coming from ?

Now, we will have women athletes in 100m, 200m, 400m and 800m in Rio. When did that last happen in Olympics and there may be more to come in next few days.

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Re: Indian Athletics Thread ...

Postby Tolamu » Fri Jul 01, 2016 4:38 pm

This conversation about superhuman(?) boost in performance. in pre-olympic qualifiers by athletes reminds me of Asterix, the gaul (& Popeye, the sailorman)

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Re: Indian Athletics Thread ...

Postby Mugundan » Fri Jul 01, 2016 6:25 pm

http://www.sportstarlive.com/athletics/ ... 797788.ece
Nirmala has stunned everyone. Someone with a previous PB of 53.94 (2013) coming and smashing her PB as well as a lot of reputations with her 51.48 has left all wondering where this girl had been all these years.
She was in fact part of the Indian 4x400 teams in Asian championships in Pune in 2013 and the World Championships in Moscow the same year. She did no have an impressive run. She had a best of 55.19 last year and no one could have imagined, even after she timed 52.35 yesterday that she would cluck a sub-52 today. She is now fourth on the Indian all-time lists, headed by Manjeet Kaur's 2004 51.05. Incidentally 2004 (Olympic year) also had Chitra Soman at No. 3 with 51.30 and Rajwinder Kaur Gill at No 4 (now 5) with 51.57. With Beenamol combining this team made it to the Olympic final timing national record of 3:26.89. In the final, without Manjeet, the team finished seventh.
Today there is another story on Sportstar live, about Seema Antil:
http://www.sportstarlive.com/athletics/ ... 797777.ece
In the coming days there should be more stories on Nirmala.
Yes, as Sameer said since when did we have our athletes in women's 100, 200, 400, 800 in one Olympics? Never, I think.

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Re: Indian Athletics Thread ...

Postby Mugundan » Sun Jul 03, 2016 4:26 am

Tolamu wrote:Found an interesting old article in NY Times about "gender testing" which also involves Dutee Chand. Since I don't follow athletics enthusiastically I was a bit appalled to hear for the first time the ordeals Dutee had gone thru.

The humiliating practice of sex testing female athletes

An elaborate article with nothing new in it except the information published in hundreds of articles across the world including NYT during the past year on Dutee Chand and the topic of gender testing.
The headline suggests "humiliating practice" that goes on currently but such methods were given up in the 60s or 70s. The media by and large was against Caster Semenya running away with titles in 2009. Today, after the Dutee Chand verdict, Semenya is poised to annihilate the opposition in Rio. How many among the columnists have written about the frustration of her opponents?

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Re: Indian Athletics Thread ...

Postby sameerph » Sun Jul 03, 2016 6:32 am

There was one more national record on the final day of inter-state meet by Annu Rani in womens javelin of 59.87 mts breaking her own record. But, it still fell short of the Olympic qualifying mark of 62m.

Womens 4 x 400m relay team clocked 3:29.04 to move from 13th to 12th in relay rankings. They appear more or less certain to qualify for Rio.

Mens 4x 400m relay team clocked 3:03.31 and improved from 21st position to 17th in relay rankings. They will require slightly better timing than that to qualify. Not sure if there is much time left for that.

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Re: Indian Athletics Thread ...

Postby sameerph » Mon Jul 04, 2016 6:27 pm

Now womens 4 X100 M relay team created a national record in a meet in Almaty, Kazakhstan with a timing of 43.42s. If they run 1 more race in next few days around the same time they may qualify for Rio.

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Re: Indian Athletics Thread ...

Postby sameerph » Sat Jul 23, 2016 6:31 pm

Brilliant news coming in from Bydogoszca , Poland where IAAF world junior championships is currently going in.

India's Neeraj Chopra had a massive throw of 86.48M in mens javelin which was a new world U20 record and new national record. With that he won the gold medal and became the first Indian ever to win a gold medal in world junior championships. :clap:

In fact his that throw would have taken him to 6th position in last year's senior world championships.

Unfortunate that he could not make it to Rio. Else, he certainly would have had a great chance to reach the final. Nonetheless, he is certainly a great talent and needs to be groomed well.


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