Post-mortem on the Rio Olympics disaster

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Re: Post-mortem on the Rio Olympics disaster

Postby jayakris » Sun Aug 28, 2016 6:01 pm

sameerph wrote:Hey, I said Nachappa in the post above. :D Or did you change that ?

Yes I did. See I knew you were sleepy. You had typed Ponnappa, and shocked the hell out of me :) ...

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Re: Post-mortem on the Rio Olympics disaster

Postby jayakris » Sun Aug 28, 2016 6:03 pm

I liked this part too, especially the ending punch line
Looking ahead towards Tokyo 2020, what according to you needs to be done so as to avert such a fate four years from now?
I think the planning should have started yesterday. You need to bring all the parties – the federations, coaches and so on, chalk out a plan and hold the stakeholders responsible for their actions. We need to hold everyone accountable, right from the athletes to coaches to federations. Going forward, perform or perish should be the way.

Yep. perform or perish.

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Re: Post-mortem on the Rio Olympics disaster

Postby Sin Hombre » Sun Aug 28, 2016 6:06 pm

Haha. And here I was congratulating Ponappa :D

Makes sense given she cannot even keep her doubles partner in control.

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Re: Post-mortem on the Rio Olympics disaster

Postby sameerph » Mon Aug 29, 2016 5:12 pm

This is another article on Rio which shows the kind of funding which was given this time to athletes and demanded by them -

Rio Olympics Review: Athletes fell short despite last-minute Rs 20 crore surge


* A fortnight before the Games, sprinter Dutee Chand complained about not having competition shoes to run with. Dutee was already allocated Rs 30 lakh under TOP Scheme but her statement caused an embarrassment to the government. Ultimately, when the issue reached the sports minister’s office, a senior SAI official said they wire-transferred Rs 2 lakh to her for a pair of shoes 10 days before the Games.

* As per the minutes of the TOPS sub-committee meeting on April 22, discus thrower Krishna Poonia had been out of action for nearly two years due to injury. In the interim, she joined the Congress party and contested the Rajasthan elections. She returned to action in April and demanded approximately Rs 40 lakh for a training stint at Chula Vista, USA, under her husband and coach Vijender Singh. SAI acceded to her request based on her reputation. Ultimately, she did not qualify for the Olympics.


Looks like it was a case of problem of plenty this time around.

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Re: Post-mortem on the Rio Olympics disaster

Postby arjun2761 » Mon Aug 29, 2016 11:46 pm

Indian Express is reporting that Yogeshwar's London bronze has turned to silver with the silver winning Russian testing positive for a banned substance.

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Re: Post-mortem on the Rio Olympics disaster

Postby Sin Hombre » Tue Aug 30, 2016 12:09 am

Indian athletics is a joke and deserves no money at all.

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Re: Post-mortem on the Rio Olympics disaster

Postby Prashant » Tue Aug 30, 2016 2:18 am

Yes, apparently Yogeshwar has been upgraded to silver for 2012...

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Re: Post-mortem on the Rio Olympics disaster

Postby jayakris » Tue Aug 30, 2016 2:36 am

I will take any good news today, after what that US Open umpire did to Saki who had won the match, before losing it.

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Re: Post-mortem on the Rio Olympics disaster

Postby PKBasu » Tue Aug 30, 2016 3:12 am

Congrats to Yogeshwar Dutt, silver medalist at the London Olympics.

But the comparison between London and Rio looks even worse for the latter now. We declined exactly by two-thirds -- from 3 silver and 3 bronze in London, to 1 silver and 1 bronze in Rio. Serious introspection needed.

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Re: Post-mortem on the Rio Olympics disaster

Postby jayakris » Tue Aug 30, 2016 3:46 am

Wresling Federation is so sure that Narsingh would have got us a medal. So doping took a medal away from us, but gave us a better medal too.

Now, is there any way to prove that the Russian(?) who was ahead of Dipa doped? That would be cool, but I don't think gymnasts dope much. Some designer drugs might always be a possibility though.

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Re: Post-mortem on the Rio Olympics disaster

Postby Prashant » Tue Aug 30, 2016 4:04 am

jayakris wrote:That would be cool, but I don't think gymnasts dope much. Some designer drugs might always be a possibility though.


The overwhelming majority of women gymnasts dope - as in, they take drugs to delay onset of puberty, because puberty causes the body to be less supple. Sadly this form of drug use is not considered "performance enhancing", so continues unchecked.

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Re: Post-mortem on the Rio Olympics disaster

Postby jaydeep » Sat Sep 10, 2016 4:51 am

This is latest update on Rio Olympics postmortem by SAI.

Rio 2016 Olympics postmortem: SAI to put a cap on ‘foreign investment’
Rio Review: Key points of SAI report
- Element of progression noted in certain disciplines but that has been ‘negated by the regression in terms of medal tally.’
- Fitness issues of some athletes a ‘matter of concern’, which reflects on inadequate monitoring (by federations and SAI).
- ‘Serious concerns’ raised over the ‘below-par’ performances of some athletes, in terms of personal best.
- Streamlining required in funding projects like the Target Olympic Podium Scheme. Overall enhancement of budget.
- Performances of coaches, mainly foreign coaches, needs to be evaluated ‘very minutely.’

The biggest casualties, however, seem to be the foreign coaches. “Performance of coaches, especially foreign coaches, needs to be evaluated very minutely,” Srinivas wrote in his report. “Hiring of foreign coaches should be done very carefully based on strong and proven track record.”

It is learnt that apart from jump coach Bedros Bedrosian, middle and long distance coach Nikolai Snesarev and javelin coach Gary Calvert, none will be retained in athletics while the contracts of others might not be reviewed. SAI will take a final decision on the issue in consultation with the Athletics Federation of India (AFI).

SAI is also likely to review the contract of men’s hockey team chief coach Roelant Oltmans despite the team’s encouraging performance at the Olympics. Oltmans’ contract expires in January 2017. “I stay on as coach until January 1 (2017). That is when my contract is expiring. What will happen after that has not been discussed yet, so I cannot say anything about it,” Oltmans had said in an interview after the Olympics.

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Re: Post-mortem on the Rio Olympics disaster

Postby sameerph » Sat Sep 10, 2016 5:31 am

I hope they retain Oltmans (unless they want to bring back Terry Walsh). I think he is one of our better performing foreign coaches.

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Re: Post-mortem on the Rio Olympics disaster

Postby sameerph » Mon Sep 12, 2016 12:37 pm

These are the details of TOPS funds being disbursed to athletes this time -

India at Rio 2016: Vikas Gowda, Rs 1.02 cr, 28th; Sakshi Malik Rs 15.86L, bronze

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Re: Post-mortem on the Rio Olympics disaster

Postby jaydeep » Sun Sep 25, 2016 11:35 am

Very good guest editorial article by Geet Sethi.
With the euphoria of the felicitations for PV Sindhu and Sakshi Malik slowly receding into a somewhat distant memory, perhaps now is the time to start looking ahead to Olympics 2020 and even to 2024.

Recent columns in the print media and comments by anchors and their guests on TV channels blame every stake holder of Indian sport including government and federations. However, I wish to introduce the thought, that sport is a small subset of the numerous activities which we Indians partake in. And in all the numerous professions there are only a rare few individuals where we are truly world class. Or for that matter rare few products produced in india which are world class. The basic underlying and foundational essence of our existence revolves around mediocrity.

To produce a world class product ( and an athlete is finally a product) we need world class inputs and we need to be obsessed about quality in every aspect of an individual athletes preparation. We have the basic raw material or talent. But the entire environment needs to be world class to be able to produce an Olympic medal winning athlete.

We need small crack teams for each sport headed by a well paid CEO who is empowered to take quick decisions and decisions based on intelligence and research with respect to that particular sport. We need panels of world class doctors, injury managenent professionals, physiotherapists, nutritionists, coaches, equipment and efficient logistic support to back up these crack teams.

Governments and federations by their very nature ( and this is across the world ) are weighed down by size and inability to take quick decisions. Government - if it is really serious about results - can form these crack teams - one for each sport - which are driven by competent CEO's who are past athletes or good coaches or just great managers - they will need to be paid world class salaries and incentivised too. More importantly each crack team will need to be funded as per the budgeted requirements of that particular sport and its athletes.

Given the results at Rio, a logical conclusion is that perhaps more needs to be done. It is clear that we need to focus our attention into providing top class inputs into our athletes preparing for 2020 but equally important is to immediately roll out a junior programme. 400 juniors between the ages of 9-15 in each of the four or five sporting disciplines. Every year ruthless screening to be done purely on the basis of meritocracy and finally in 2024 we will be left with 10-20 athletes in each discipline of which at least two or three could be genuine medal hopefuls. This again can be given to separate crack teams again headed by competent well paid CEO's who need to report to a world class board with impeccable integrity.

Research that we have done at OGQ and indeed the example of the UK, has given us an indication and perhaps proof that it makes sense to focus on a few disciplines, in which we may have a cultural or past performance of note. Wrestling, shooting , archery , boxing , badminton come to mind. This does not mean we neglect unusual talent like a Dipa Karmakar in Gymnastics or a Maana Patel in swimming.

Collectively we completely neglect the athletes when they actually need the money and support ( four to eight years before their first Olympics) and then once they win, we go wild with excitement. We need to provide massive support to them eight years before they win the medal and after they win we can be more measured in giving them rewards.

So let's hope that in Tokyo we will have 6-8 medal winners and that we the public will follow Olympic sport not only for two weeks but for two years in the build up to Tokyo. We need to be a sporting nation everyday of our lives and not only during the Asian Games, Commonwealth Games and Olympics.

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