Preparing for Prime Minister Narendra Modi

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Re: Preparing for Prime Minister Narendra Modi

Postby prasen9 » Mon Apr 03, 2017 4:00 am

Varma, have you read the article? The article compares against several developed countries and compares against several developing countries. In comparison to what they are doing, this bill takes us backwards. Do you want to debate that? Or is it that when you do not have anything to contribute wrt to the content of what I have posting, you want to shoot the messenger because that is convenient? You guys are taking Modi-worship to new levels. I would be happy to debate the issue that the article highlights.

If you have anything to say why the bill passed is a good one, I will be glad to debate that.
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Re: Preparing for Prime Minister Narendra Modi

Postby prasen9 » Mon Apr 03, 2017 4:05 am

jayakris wrote:
prasen9 wrote:The Modi government is one of the most corrupt we have ever had.

Any empirical evidence or real data behind this statement?
Please see this: Corruption Rank Click on max to see the entire ranking over years. In the last 21 years, this is one of the most corrupt we have ever had.

This parliament has the most number of members facing criminal charges in a decade. Criminal charges including 1/3rd of the cabinet Illustrous cabinet

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Re: Preparing for Prime Minister Narendra Modi

Postby Varma » Thu Apr 06, 2017 5:27 pm

prasen9 wrote:...Do you want to debate that? Or is it that when you do not have anything to contribute wrt to the content of what I have posting, you want to shoot the messenger because that is convenient? ...


Prasen, shooting the messenger was never my intention. Since it obviously sounded so (in hindsight, it definitely does seem that way, I must admit), my apologies to you for saying that. While I agree to an extent that this law might be a bad move, before taking a side I would like to see the argument (articles/analyses) leaning towards the other end too.

prasen9 wrote:...You guys are taking Modi-worship to new levels.

I do like Modi, there is no doubt about it. But let me re-assure you, I am no Modi Bhakt :D! One of my best friends' dad was a victim during Godhra riots and had to be rescued by neighbors from a serious physical assault. I was biased more from one side because of that incident and remained a strong Modi hater for a very long time. Now I have come to appreciate a few things he has been doing. I find it annoying when you single-out Modi to be the "only" bad guy in several instances. I have never seen you comment with the same vigor on any other politician, which made me throw that comment towards you in a lighter vein. That's all.

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Re: Preparing for Prime Minister Narendra Modi

Postby prasen9 » Thu Apr 06, 2017 6:36 pm

Ok. Then, it is my turn to apologize. Honestly, I see very little of value to allowing dark money corporate donations to political parties. That is basically legalized bribery.

I do hate our current president (in the U.S.) more than I hate Modi.

I only post anti-Modi articles here because there are a lot of pro-Modi people here. My objective is to achieve a balanced discussion. Hence, by all means, cut down the articles I post with logic and facts. Tell me why corporations should be allowed to donate money secretly to political parties, etc. if you (not meant to refer to Varma alone, but, a generic you) support Modi's actions with respect to this issue.

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Re: Preparing for Prime Minister Narendra Modi

Postby prasen9 » Thu Apr 06, 2017 6:40 pm

Varma wrote:Our country is so so forward already, the only way for us to move is backwards :p :p :p
This is the statement I want you to justify. I understand and see the three tongue-in-cheeks. However, I do not see the joke in that. The bill if passed into law will be a sad step backwards. Our country is not in the pits. It is a civilized country with some semblance of governance. Yes, it is possible to regress. You do not need to be the most developed country to be able to regress. You can regress even if you are somewhere in the middle or somewhere in the lower 1/3rd of nations. Currently, we have laws that require disclosure of political donations by corporations. Why is removing those requirements not a step backwards? I am paraphrasing the bill here. If you want, you can pick the exact definitions in the bill and argue.

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Re: Preparing for Prime Minister Narendra Modi

Postby arjun2761 » Thu Apr 06, 2017 9:03 pm

FWIW, political corruption is huge in India. However, most of it is done by suitcases of cash, offshore accounts, or through other shell company vehicles and very little of it is actually disclosed. So not sure if the bill had much practical effect. The removal of the corruption cash (demonetization) would likely have made more of an impact.

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Re: Preparing for Prime Minister Narendra Modi

Postby prasen9 » Thu Apr 06, 2017 11:44 pm

Ok, fine. If the bill will not have much impact, why are the corporates hell bent on having it. Why not let the law be as it is? Do you think these guys who want it to be passed are stupid? So, yes, while with the current law as it is things are not perfect and there are gaping holes, legalizing corporate bribery is the way to go. Using this logic, which makes no sense to me, we should go ahead and say we are not quite effective in preventing bribery, so we should make it legal. We are not that effective in prosecuting murders by the uber-rich. So, we should make it legal too. I am not saying that not having the law makes it utopia. Far from it. But, it is one small tool without which there will be more open corruption.

Demonitization as it was done with twenty-thousand work-arounds hardly has much affect. My parents said that the local black-money-stockers just used some poor people to convert their notes while giving them a minuscule commission.

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Re: Preparing for Prime Minister Narendra Modi

Postby prasen9 » Fri Apr 14, 2017 2:36 am

Shades of Trump (assuming this report is correct): Modi on women's name in passports. It does not matter what the truth is. What I am learning (by observing the types of Trump and Modi) is that it just matters what you make the truth to be. Have a set of rabid followers. That is all you need. Then you can claim anything. Irrespective of it being a fact or not. They will eat it up. My ex had an Indian passport with her maiden name in it for over a decade. But, hey, Modi has made that happen! Maybe tomorrow Modi will single-handedly bring television to India. I am waiting for that day.


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