Davis Cup 2017 - India

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Re: Davis Cup 2017 - India

Postby bujilover » Sat Apr 08, 2017 1:49 pm

Can't find one single stream :damn:

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Re: Davis Cup 2017 - India

Postby Prashant » Sat Apr 08, 2017 2:15 pm

Excellent. Facile win, and we clinch the tie. Now to hope Yuki is fit the next time we play....

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Re: Davis Cup 2017 - India

Postby sameerph » Sat Apr 08, 2017 2:22 pm

And Saketh too. We need both of them to be fit and running to have any chance at world group play off stage.

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Re: Davis Cup 2017 - India

Postby Florian Buechting » Sat Apr 08, 2017 2:53 pm

Well done... Hope they have some fun tomorrow :)

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Re: Davis Cup 2017 - India

Postby jayakris » Sat Apr 08, 2017 3:08 pm

For the record,

N.Sriram BALAJI/ Rohan BOPANNA (IND) d. Farrukh DUSTOV/ Sanjar FAYZIEV (UZB), 62 64 61

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Re: Davis Cup 2017 - India

Postby vatsal323 » Sat Apr 08, 2017 4:39 pm

Possible playoff opponents?

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Re: Davis Cup 2017 - India

Postby bujilover » Sat Apr 08, 2017 4:41 pm

16 aces from our team today.I bet Bala fired most of them.Great DC debut for him :D . Chances are more likely for him to get a singles rubber too if the captain decides. :goodluck:

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Re: Davis Cup 2017 - India

Postby bujilover » Sat Apr 08, 2017 4:48 pm

vatsal323 wrote:Possible playoff opponents?


Here are the countries that lost in WG 1st round: Argentina, Germany, Czech Republic, Switzerland, Japan, Canada, Russia, Croatia. I don't know how the drawing is done. Maybe,Sameer can help here. None of those countries are beatable!

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Re: Davis Cup 2017 - India

Postby jaydeep » Sat Apr 08, 2017 5:11 pm

Nice comfortable win and grand debut for Bala with a solid performance.

Also, check frank blog entry by Kamesh Srinivasan about Davis team selection.
The much maligned Mahesh Bhupathi spoils his image further on captaincy debut
All the arguments of Paes are absolutely fair, when he cried foul on not being nominated in the four-member team for the tie. They are almost on similar lines to the argument that Bopanna put forth, when he was dropped for the tie against New Zealand.
However, Paes had agreed that the captain had the prerogative to choose his team. He wanted a phone call, intimating him that he was not wanted.
That was not possible. It would have been suicidal to say ‘’no’’ to a reserve player, especially after what had happened in the previous tie against New Zealand in Pune. Vishnu Vardhan had to fly from Hyderabad on the morning of the draw, and understandably was not as sharp as he could have been, as he and Paes, the London Olympics partners, lost in four sets.
So, there was no question of telling Paes that he was not wanted in advance.

Mahesh firmly believes in the ‘’horses for courses’’ policy. He chose Bengaluru because it would suit the big servers and the fast court would suit the stroke players. It was impossible to keep Bopanna out in such a scenario.
The idea was not to get rid of Paes, by helping him to the record, but to ensure that he plays his part when required. No captain would have been able to convince someone like Paes, with such a rich Davis Cup record, to sit out. It was no wonder that Mahesh failed, even though there is no doubt that he is the biggest fan of Paes.

To be fair to him, Mahesh also wants to break the mould, and create a new structure for Indian team. There has been enough of doubles. Let us not forget that Paes himself was so heroic in so many singles, against some of the best players in the world, rather than doubles, in the Davis Cup theatre.
Had Yuki Bhambri been fit and playing, Mahesh could have even kept his friend Bopanna out, to try and make the singles specialists ready for hard battle. For sure, Mahesh does not require Davis Cup to prove anything to Bopanna, or settle scores against Paes. The much maligned Mahesh certainly has some vision for Indian tennis.
In fact, Mahesh did have a chat with Paes in Dubai during the ATP event recently and had expressed that it was a privilege to captain a team with him. In the same breath, Mahesh had also made it clear that nobody was guaranteed a place.
The only request from Paes was that he should not be kept in the squad, if he was not being played. It was a gentleman’s promise, but it was not in Mahesh’s hands to keep Paes out of the squad for the tie against Uzbekistan !

In such a back drop, Paes was literally challenging everyone to drop him. In the process, he walked into a punch that shook his senses.
‘’Sometimes, you have to take things on the chin, throw your shoulders back and keep working hard’’, Paes had said.

So, let nobody be in any hurry to write the end game for him.
He may not like to read these lines, but this was the bitter tonic that Paes needed to fire himself up, on possibly the final stretch of his professional tennis career. Champions are best known when they face adversity.
No matter how much people criticise Paes for not being diligent with his training schedules, or find fault, even if it is rain that stops training after three games, there is no doubt that whenever he wants, Paes can put the flesh and spirit in sync, dancing to his tune. He is still the quickest at the net on planet earth. If he gets the right partner, Paes can win Grand Slam doubles, not just mixed doubles with Martina Hingis, the incomparable Swiss miss.
All he needs is the motivation. Mahesh Bhupathi and the tricky situation has given him plenty of it!
It is unfair to call someone a villain, when he brings out the best in a champion like Paes.
For all the sickness that people feel on looking at Indian tennis, they just need to detach themselves and look at the big picture.

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Re: Davis Cup 2017 - India

Postby sameerph » Sat Apr 08, 2017 6:42 pm

bujilover wrote:
vatsal323 wrote:Possible playoff opponents?


Here are the countries that lost in WG 1st round: Argentina, Germany, Czech Republic, Switzerland, Japan, Canada, Russia, Croatia. I don't know how the drawing is done. Maybe,Sameer can help here. None of those countries are beatable!


Add India, Kazakhstan and Hungary to the 8 nations which lost in the world group play off. 5 more nations will qualify thru the matches which are going at the moment - Brazil is on the verge of getting their win.

Out of 16 nations, 8 who are ranked highest as per the davis cup ranking will be seeded and will draw the other 8 nations in the play off. As of now, the 8 mentioned above ( those who lost in the fist round) are the highest. However, interestingly we are ranked 17th which is just below Germany who are ranked 16th ( and currently 8th among qualified nations).

It is really a complicated ranking system with discounted drop off in rankings for 4 years. So, will take some time to calculate but I think with this week's we may just sneak ahead of Germany and become among top 8 seeded nations. I will try to calculate our possible ranking points- someone else is welcome to do so :D - The details are on following pages -]

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But, if we get into top 8, the draw will suddenly become much more winnable for us as compared to drawing any one of the 8 nations which lost in first round .

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Re: Davis Cup 2017 - India

Postby Prashant » Sat Apr 08, 2017 6:51 pm

Switzerland without the big 2 and Japan without Nishikori are possible wins, although not likely.

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Re: Davis Cup 2017 - India

Postby Varma » Sat Apr 08, 2017 6:55 pm

We have a chance to sneak past Germany in the rankings :cool: ? Who would have thunk? :D

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Re: Davis Cup 2017 - India

Postby sameerph » Sat Apr 08, 2017 7:01 pm

Yes, looks strange based on players strength but it is due to the fact that we have now reached world group play off for the fourth consecutive year now and have had couple of wins in all 4 years. I have not checked on Germany's results but they might have lost in the first round of world group most of the time and therefore not earned many points. Something similar to ATP tour loss against challenger title that we discussed earlier. :D

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Re: Davis Cup 2017 - India

Postby arjun2761 » Sat Apr 08, 2017 8:33 pm

Good win without our top 2 players!! However, the next round will be a 2 level jump from playing Futures level players at home to ATP quality players where we will likely be underdogs at home and to having almost no chance on the road.

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Re: Davis Cup 2017 - India

Postby sameerph » Sun Apr 09, 2017 8:39 am

sameerph wrote: However, interestingly we are ranked 17th which is just below Germany who are ranked 16th ( and currently 8th among qualified nations).

It is really a complicated ranking system with discounted drop off in rankings for 4 years. So, will take some time to calculate but I think with this week's we may just sneak ahead of Germany and become among top 8 seeded nations. I will try to calculate our possible ranking points- someone else is welcome to do so :D - The details are on following pages -]

Davis cup current ranking

Rankings explained

But, if we get into top 8, the draw will suddenly become much more winnable for us as compared to drawing any one of the 8 nations which lost in first round .


I tried to calculate but there are too many variables like discounted dropping off of points, bonus points for away wins and for winning against teams ranked within certain range. So, it is all very complicated. I guess we will have wait till the new rankings come out on Monday to see if we are sneaking ahead of Germany and get seeded in world group playoffs which will make a big difference in our draw.


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